Outline by S. Smith |
This past weekend, Forum Research published the largest poll in Canadian history for the provincial election in Ontario. 40,000 people were polled, asking which party they were supporting. This poll was so large, individual riding results were also published within a certain degree of accuracy.
For this projection, I will only be looking at this particular poll, due to the fact that there is no way you can get more accurate than 40,000 respondents- the margin of error was just 0.5%. The results of the poll are quite interesting; it showed an exact tie between the Tories and the Liberals at 35%, with the NDP trailing not too far behind at 23%. The Greens meanwhile are at a respectable 6% province wide.
Looking at individual ridings, according to Forum Research these numbers translate to 47 seats each for the Liberals and Tories and just 13 for NDP. This is where the errors comes in. With a tie vote, the Liberals should have the edge in seats, but they don't. This can be explained by large rural swings against them, which I factored into my projection. But one statistic that doesn't sit right is the 13 seats for the NDP. That would mean a net increase of just three seats on a swing of 6%. This seams ridiculous considering the party was able to win 17 seats on just 18% of the vote in the 2008 federal election. But who knows, perhaps the party is doing well, but not in any concentrations.
The report published in the Toronto Star indicated that there were 28 seats within 5% of the vote, but didn't say who was leading or in second place in them. They were: Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough--Westdale, Beaches--East York, Bramalea—Gore—Malton, Brampton—Springdale, Halton, Kitchener Centre, Kitchener—Conestoga, Kitchener—Waterloo, London North Centre, London West, Mississauga East, Mississauga—Erindale, Mississauga South, Niagara Falls, Oak Ridges—Markham, Ottawa South, Pickering--Scarborough East, Richmond Hill, St. Catharines, Thornhill, Thunder Bay—Atikokan, Thunder Bay--Superior North, Timmins--James Bay, Trinity—Spadina, Welland, Windsor—Tecumseh, Windsor West and York Centre.
Some of those seats make sense, but others are quite odd, like McGuinty in danger of losing his seat in Ottawa South, or the NDP at risk of losing Timmins—James Bay. Additionally, there are some notable absences from this list, like my own riding of Ottawa Centre. Some of the individual riding sample sizes are quite low however. Timmins—James Bay had just 54 respondents in the poll.
Sunday morning I looked for some individual riding numbers, and found some for the Greater Toronto Area. Looking at the map found that most ridings seemed to be accurate, but there are a few oddities. Specifically, how poor the NDP seems to be doing in Toronto, despite polls from earlier last week showing the party was doing better than they were at federally. Forum Research has the party losing Parkdale—High Park surprisingly, and in danger of losing the two strongholds of Trinity—Spadina and Beaches—East York. Also, the party is way behind in York South—Weston, despite some indications of a strong NDP campaign there. Also, the Tories being ahead in two Brampton ridings is a bit of a surprise, considering I would have expected other ridings to go first. I suppose many Indo-Canadians are warming up to the provincial Tories at the expense of the Liberals.
I also found some numbers from Bruce, Grey and Simcoe Counties. The big surprise here is the collapse of the Liberal vote in Huron—Bruce which is part of the reason why I suspect the Liberals are way behind in their rural seats.
And so, I am left to make a new projection from all of this. I didn't just copy and paste the poll numbers into the ridings, but I did make some adjustments where I could find the numbers. Some wonky ridings I nearly ignored completely, but then again, it's possible the polls are correct about those seats. I will be taking a close look at these seats in the next week and a half before election day.
Seat by seat projection
Riding | Lib | PC | NDP | Grn | Oth | Projected winner |
Ajax—Pickering | 43 | 37 | 13 | 6 | 1 | Joe Dickson |
Algoma—Manitoulin | 37 | 15 | 41 | 5 | 1 | Michael Mantha |
Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale | 36 | 41 | 16 | 6 | 1 | Donna Skelly |
Barrie | 26 | 47 | 19 | 7 | 1 | Rod Jackson |
Beaches—East York | 32 | 18 | 39 | 10 | 1 | Michael Prue |
Bramalea—Gore—Malton | 36 | 32 | 27 | 4 | 1 | Kuldip Kular |
Brampton West | 42 | 38 | 16 | 4 | 0 | Vic Dhillon |
Brampton—Springdale | 38 | 39 | 17 | 5 | 1 | Pam Hundal |
Brant | 40 | 34 | 20 | 4 | 2 | Dave Levac |
Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound | 29 | 42 | 13 | 11 | 5 | Bill Walker |
Burlington | 31 | 46 | 17 | 5 | 1 | Jane McKenna |
Cambridge | 25 | 45 | 24 | 5 | 1 | Rob Leone |
Carleton—Mississippi Mills | 35 | 47 | 12 | 5 | 1 | Jack MacLaren |
Chatham-Kent—Essex | 27 | 45 | 23 | 5 | - | Rick Nicholls |
Davenport | 35 | 11 | 47 | 5 | 2 | Jonah Schein |
Don Valley East | 43 | 30 | 22 | 4 | 1 | Michael Coteau |
Don Valley West | 47 | 38 | 8 | 6 | 1 | Kathleen Wynne |
Dufferin—Caledon | 24 | 49 | 10 | 17 | 0 | Sylvia Jones |
Durham | 27 | 47 | 19 | 6 | 1 | John O'Toole |
Eglinton—Lawrence | 50 | 36 | 9 | 4 | 1 | Mike Colle |
Elgin—Middlesex—London | 25 | 49 | 21 | 4 | 1 | Jeff Yurek |
Essex | 24 | 40 | 32 | 4 | - | Dave Brister |
Etobicoke Centre | 47 | 35 | 12 | 4 | 2 | Donna Cansfield |
Etobicoke North | 48 | 25 | 21 | 4 | 2 | Shafiq Qaadri |
Etobicoke—Lakeshore | 41 | 34 | 17 | 6 | 2 | Laurel Broten |
Glengarry—Prescott—Russell | 37 | 44 | 13 | 5 | 1 | Marlissa Gosselin |
Guelph | 45 | 28 | 15 | 11 | 1 | Liz Sandals |
Haldimand—Norfolk | 20 | 60 | 15 | 4 | 1 | Toby Barrett |
Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock | 34 | 47 | 13 | 6 | 0 | Laurie Scott |
Halton | 34 | 46 | 14 | 4 | 1 | Ted Chudleigh |
Hamilton Centre | 23 | 18 | 50 | 7 | 2 | Andrea Horwath |
Hamilton East—Stoney Creek | 26 | 28 | 40 | 4 | 2 | Paul Miller |
Hamilton Mountain | 30 | 27 | 37 | 4 | 2 | Monique Taylor |
Huron—Bruce | 32 | 38 | 25 | 4 | 1 | Lisa Thompson |
Kenora—Rainy River | 29 | 31 | 36 | 4 | 0 | Sarah Campbell |
Kingston and the Islands | 44 | 29 | 20 | 5 | 2 | John Gerretsen |
Kitchener Centre | 40 | 35 | 19 | 5 | 1 | John Milloy |
Kitchener—Conestoga | 36 | 41 | 18 | 5 | - | Michael Harris |
Kitchener—Waterloo | 37 | 43 | 14 | 5 | 1 | Elizabeth Witmer |
Lambton—Kent—Middlesex | 35 | 40 | 19 | 4 | 2 | Monte McNaughton |
Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington | 33 | 43 | 18 | 6 | - | Randy Hiller |
Leeds—Grenville | 25 | 55 | 14 | 6 | 0 | Steve Clark |
London North Centre | 39 | 32 | 21 | 7 | 1 | Deb Matthews |
London West | 44 | 38 | 17 | 4 | 1 | Chris Bentley |
London—Fanshawe | 35 | 29 | 30 | 4 | 2 | Khalil Ramal |
Markham—Unionville | 48 | 29 | 18 | 4 | 1 | Michael Chan |
Mississauga East—Cooksville | 42 | 38 | 15 | 4 | 1 | Dipika Damerla |
Mississauga South | 44 | 40 | 11 | 4 | 1 | Charles Sousa |
Mississauga—Brampton South | 43 | 36 | 16 | 4 | 1 | Armit Mangat |
Mississauga—Erindale | 42 | 38 | 15 | 4 | 1 | Harinder Takhar |
Mississauga—Streetsville | 44 | 36 | 13 | 7 | - | Bob Delaney |
Nepean—Carleton | 30 | 49 | 13 | 7 | 1 | Lisa MacLeod |
Newmarket—Aurora | 34 | 46 | 14 | 6 | - | Frank Klees |
Niagara Falls | 42 | 36 | 16 | 5 | 2 | Kim Craitor |
Niagara West—Glanbrook | 21 | 54 | 18 | 5 | 2 | Tim Hudak |
Nickel Belt | 25 | 20 | 51 | 4 | - | France Gelinas |
Nipissing | 34 | 46 | 16 | 4 | - | Victor Fedeli |
Northumberland—Quinte West | 35 | 40 | 18 | 6 | 1 | Rob Milligan |
Oak Ridges—Markham | 39 | 42 | 14 | 4 | 1 | Farid Wassef |
Oakville | 43 | 39 | 11 | 5 | 2 | Kevin Flynn |
Oshawa | 18 | 42 | 35 | 4 | 1 | Jerry Ouellette |
Ottawa Centre | 32 | 20 | 39 | 8 | 1 | Anil Naidoo |
Ottawa South | 42 | 35 | 16 | 6 | 1 | Dalton McGuinty |
Ottawa West—Nepean | 37 | 41 | 16 | 5 | 1 | Randall Denley |
Ottawa—Orleans | 43 | 41 | 11 | 4 | 1 | Phil McNeely |
Ottawa—Vanier | 41 | 27 | 24 | 7 | 1 | Madeleine Meilleur |
Oxford | 23 | 52 | 18 | 5 | 2 | Ernie Hardeman |
Parkdale—High Park | 32 | 14 | 44 | 7 | 3 | Cheri DiNovo |
Parry Sound—Muskoka | 19 | 48 | 22 | 10 | 1 | Norm Miller |
Perth—Wellington | 37 | 42 | 13 | 6 | 2 | Randy Pettapiece |
Peterborough | 42 | 29 | 23 | 5 | 1 | Jeff Leal |
Pickering—Scarborough East | 42 | 36 | 16 | 5 | 1 | Tracey MacCharles |
Prince Edward—Hastings | 34 | 39 | 21 | 4 | 2 | Todd Smith |
Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke | 18 | 65 | 13 | 4 | 0 | John Yakabuski |
Richmond Hill | 42 | 37 | 14 | 6 | 1 | Reza Moridi |
St. Catharines | 40 | 35 | 18 | 5 | 2 | Jim Bradley |
St. Paul's | 43 | 28 | 19 | 8 | 2 | Eric Hoskins |
Sarnia—Lambton | 23 | 45 | 26 | 4 | 2 | Bob Bailey |
Sault Ste. Marie | 51 | 16 | 27 | 4 | 2 | David Orazietti |
Scarborough Centre | 43 | 28 | 24 | 4 | 1 | Brad Duguid |
Scarborough Southwest | 39 | 24 | 31 | 5 | 1 | Lorenzo Berardinetti |
Scarborough—Agincourt | 50 | 27 | 17 | 4 | 2 | Soo Wong |
Scarborough—Guildwood | 41 | 30 | 23 | 4 | 2 | Margarett Best |
Scarborough—Rouge River | 45 | 21 | 28 | 3 | 3 | Bas Balkissoon |
Simcoe North | 24 | 52 | 17 | 7 | - | Garfield Dunlop |
Simcoe—Grey | 23 | 54 | 13 | 10 | - | Jim Wilson |
Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry | 28 | 51 | 16 | 4 | 1 | Jim McDonnell |
Sudbury | 49 | 14 | 32 | 4 | 1 | Rick Bartolucci |
Thornhill | 41 | 45 | 9 | 4 | 1 | Peter Shurman |
Thunder Bay—Atikokan | 32 | 23 | 41 | 4 | 0 | Mary Kozorys |
Thunder Bay—Superior North | 42 | 12 | 42 | 4 | 0 | Michael Gravelle or Steve Mantis |
Timikaming—Cochrane | 35 | 17 | 44 | 4 | 0 | John Vanthof |
Timmins—James Bay | 29 | 22 | 45 | 4 | 0 | Gilles Bisson |
Toronto Centre | 44 | 20 | 26 | 8 | 2 | Glen Murray |
Toronto—Danforth | 26 | 11 | 52 | 9 | 2 | Peter Tabuns |
Trinity—Spadina | 33 | 14 | 45 | 7 | 1 | Rasario Marchese |
Vaughan | 51 | 33 | 11 | 4 | 1 | Greg Sorbara |
Welland | 24 | 33 | 38 | 4 | 1 | Cindy Forster |
Wellington—Halton Hills | 27 | 55 | 11 | 7 | - | Ted Arnott |
Whitby—Oshawa | 26 | 48 | 19 | 6 | 1 | Christine Elliott |
Willowdale | 43 | 36 | 15 | 5 | 1 | David Zimmer |
Windsor West | 33 | 20 | 43 | 4 | - | Helmi Charif |
Windsor—Tecumseh | 41 | 20 | 34 | 4 | 1 | Dwight Duncan |
York Centre | 41 | 40 | 13 | 5 | 1 | Monte Kwinter |
York South—Weston | 39 | 14 | 42 | 4 | 1 | Paul Ferriera |
York West | 51 | 17 | 27 | 4 | 1 | Mario Sergio |
York—Simcoe | 24 | 52 | 17 | 6 | 1 | Julia Munro |
Seat changes since last projection
The Tories were the main beneficiary of this projection, gaining six seats in my theory that they are winning all of the rural Liberal seats. These are Huron—Bruce, Lambton—Kent—Middlesex, Northumberland—Quinte West, Perth—Wellington and Prince Edward—Hastings. Also, the absence of Ottawa West—Nepean on that close race list means that I believe it is firmly in the Tory column as well, making it the sixth Tory gain. Three of those Tory gains were from projected toss up seats. The NDP also gained on seat in this projection, in Algoma—Manitoulin (from toss up). Brampton—Springdale and Ottawa—Orleans are new toss ups, as those previously Liberal projected seats are now close races.
Conclusion
While I didn't come up with a tie in seats like Forum Research did, I did get a close result. Either the Tories or the Liberals can win this, but it will be a minority. The Tories are presently two seats behind. Even though I shifted many Liberal seats into the Tory column, I still couldn't get to the number provided in the forum research poll. And, I have no idea where they have the NDP gaining seats, but I suspect their low sample sizes in the north have meant that their numbers weren't too NDP friendly. In any event, I have the NDP winning at least 17 seats, not 13. And they will be holding the balance of power.
Methodology/disclaimer
I have looked at each riding individually and tried to figure out what its voters might do in the upcoming election. For this, I looked at the riding history, and tried to come to a conclusion as to why certain parties did as well they did, or as poor as they did compared to other years. For certain ridings, I assumed a uniform swing, because I felt its historical voting trends follow the provincial voting trends. For other ridings, I looked at the results of the recent federal election and adjusted the results to reflect the most recent poll. And for other ridings, I could only make estimates, again using past election data. It all depended on the character of the riding.
Of course, there is bound to be some oversights on my part. If you think I have a riding wrong, please let me know. I want to get this as right as possible. The key to making correct projections is not all about the math. Rather, it's about the local conditions. That's why I will be looking at qualitative data just as much as I will be looking at quantitative.
Of course, there is bound to be some oversights on my part. If you think I have a riding wrong, please let me know. I want to get this as right as possible. The key to making correct projections is not all about the math. Rather, it's about the local conditions. That's why I will be looking at qualitative data just as much as I will be looking at quantitative.
How do you compensate for the IVR method? One can only claim +/-0.5% on 40,000 respondents if the sample is representative of the population?
ReplyDeletePeople who hang up immediately when they hear a recording instead of a real person bias the data. Is there any idea how much of an impact this has?
I think that those random errors are more likely on the riding by riding level. I don't know how they asked the questions, but they could have asked demographics. I know EKOS does. That would mean they could weight the results. But with 40,000 people, any skewing would probably be balanced out, probably.
ReplyDeleteAlso of interest, is the fact that application of respondents to ridings may be off. I doubt the respondents were asked which riding they lived in, so they were grouped by telephone exchange. That could mean massive errors for Toronto.
Any error associated with voter response or methodology is systematic not random. The size of the sample can't compensate for non-random sampling. This is the same argument as the mandatory long form census.
ReplyDeleteInteresting point about phone exchanges - perhaps that partially explains the poor NDP results in down town Toronto. Highly concentrated support could be 'spread' into other ridings. This would preserve the overall party vote percentage but would ruin riding level predictions. If true that's one mother of a systematic error!
Im also starting to think some soft NDP-Liberal voters in Toronto will be voting Liberal to stop the Tories, because of vote splitting (as evidenced in the federal election). This may make sense in some ridings, and not in others. But, voters will vote strategically even it makes no sense. I can tell you that here in Ottawa Centre there are voters voting strategically for the Liberals to stop the Tories, when perhaps a vote for the NDP would make just as much if not more sense. (although the Tories have a next to nil chance of winning here).
ReplyDeleteI guess that all depends on if and how the dynamic shifts after last night. If the Tories are perceived to have some momentum that may very well happen. But if the Liberals seem to lack credibility they may shed soft support to both opposition parties or even experience a suppressed voter turn out on Eday.
ReplyDeleteHave you considered making a cartogram of Ontario proportional to population or ridings? I find that for a very unequally populated country like Canada, electoral maps are often very hard to do a visual scan of, since you end up focusing mostly on huge rural ridings. It would be great to have an Ontario template on Wikipedia so future map-makers to use.
ReplyDeleteI could do a cartogram, I guess. If I knew how to, I would make one of those stretchy cartograms based on population. It would be after the election(s) at any rate.
ReplyDeleteOh we at the Green Party would have loved to have gotten some of those predicted results of 6-8% instead of 3%
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